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Author Subject:  Ðàñøèðåíèå ãðàíèö åâðîñîþçà
Azamat
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Posted 23-09-03 - 04:47 AM
FlasherT - íå âîñïðèíèìàé ýòî áëèçêî ê ñåðäöó, ïðîøó òåáÿ.

Íà÷èíàÿ ýòó òåìó ÿ õî÷ó óçíàòü âàøå ìíåíèå ïî ïîâîäó âñòóïëåíèÿ Ýñòîíèè â åâðîñîþç. Çäåñü (ÿ íàäåþñü) ìû áóäåì îáñóæäàòü ïîëèòè÷åñêóþ ñèòóàöèþ íà çàïàäå.
Òàê ÷åãî æå íàì æäàòü îò ýòîãî êîíãëîìåðàòà?
È êàê òåïåðü ðàñïðåäåëèëèñü ìíåíèÿ â ñàìîé Ýñòîíèè?
FlasherT - ÿ íå äîâåðÿþ ÑÌÈ è õî÷ó ñïðîñèòü òåáÿ ëè÷íî. Êàê òû ðàñöåíèâàåøü ïîëèòè÷åñêóþ ñèòóàöèþ â Ýñòîíèè. Ïðàâäà, ÷òî ïî÷òè âñå åäèíîãëàñíî ïðîãîëîñîâàëè çà âñòóïëåíèå â åâðîñîþç? Èëè ýòî î÷åðåäíàÿ óòêà? ß äóìàþ, ÷òî áåç íàðóøåíèé íà èçáèðàòåëüíûõ ïóíêòàõ íå îáîøëîñü.


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Posted 23-09-03 - 08:21 AM
...da vse klassno! Vi ne nahodite?
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Flasher T
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Posted 23-09-03 - 10:50 AM
Àçàìàò:

Íàðóøåíèé íà èçáèðàòåëüíûõ ïóíêòàõ íå áûëî, âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå âîïèþùèõ. Èç 65% íàñåëåíèÿ, êîòîðîå âîîáùå ãîëîñîâàëî (à íåãðàæäàíå ýòîãî íå äåëàëè âîîáùå), äâå òðåòè ïðîãîëîñîâàëî çà è òðåòü ïðîòèâ. Òàê ÷òî íå âñå òàê ðàäóæíî, õîòÿ ÈÌÕÎ 50% ïëþñ îäèí ãîëîñ â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå ÿâëÿëñÿ áû ïîáåäîé ïðîåâðîïåéñêîé ïàðòèè.

Ïðîòèâ ãîëîñîâàëè â îñíîâíîì íà ñåâåðî-âîñòîêå, êîòîðûé ïðåäñòàâëÿåò èç ñåáÿ íèùèé ðåãèîí ñ ðàçâàëåííîé ïðîìûøëåííîñòüþ è ïîäàâëÿþùå ðóññêèì íàñåëåíèåì. Òåì íå ìåíåå, íà âñþ Ýñòîíèþ íàáðàëîñü îò ñèëû ïîëäþæèíû ðåãèîíîâ, â êîòîðûõ ãîëîñà "ïðîòèâ" ïðåâûñèëè ãîëîñà "çà".

Ïîëèòè÷åñêàÿ ñèòóàöèÿ â Ýñòîíèè õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ àáñîëþòíûì îòñóòñòâèåì ïàðòèé è ëè÷íî ïîëèòèêîâ, ñåáÿ åùå íå äèñêðåäèòèðîâàâøèõ. Íûíåøíÿÿ êîàëèöèÿ ñôîðìèðîâàíà âîêðóã àáñîëþòíî íîâîé, ñîçäàííîé ïîä ïîñëåäíèå âûáîðû ïàðòèåé "Res Publica". Ïðåìüåð - Þõàí Ïàðòñ, ÷åëîâåê, â ïîëèòèêå ðàíüøå íå çàìå÷åííûé, ÷òî äåëàåò åãî íåñêîëüêî áîëåå óâàæàåìûì ñ îäíîé ñòîðîíû è ÿâíûì äèëåòàíòîì ñ äðóãîé.  êîàëèöèè ïðèñóòñòâóþò êðîìå òîãî Ðåôîðìèñòñêàÿ ïàðòèÿ, âåðíóâøàÿ íà ìåñòî ìèíèñòðà èíîñòðàííûõ äåë Êðèñòèíó Îþëàíä, ÷üÿ íåêîìïåòåíòíîñòü ïîðàæàåò óæå êîòîðûé ãîä. (Àíåêäîò: " ìèíèñòåðñòâå èíîñòðàííûõ äåë ñíîâà êðèçèñ. Îþëàíä ïîòåðÿëà ïðèãëàøåíèå â ÍÀÒÎ...") À òàêæå Íàðîäíàÿ (ôåðìåðñêàÿ) ïàðòèÿ, ÷åé áûâøèé ãëàâà ó íàñ íûíå ïðåçèäåíò. Îäíàêî ïðåçèäåíò âëàñòüþ ïðàêòè÷åñêè íå îáëàäàåò.  ïðèíöèïå ýòà êîàëèöèÿ ïîêà ÷òî åùå íå ñîâñåì â êðèçèñå, îäíàêî îöåíè õîõìó: ñ îáðåòåíèÿ íåçàâèñèìîñòè â 91-ì ãîäó, â Ýñòîíèè _íè ðàçó_ íå áûëî ñîñòàâà ïðàâèòåëüñòâà, äîòÿíóâøåãî îò âûáîðîâ äî âûáîðîâ.

×òî æå êàñàåòñÿ ÅÑ... Ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî âñå îòíþäü íå òàê ðàäóæíî, êàê ïðàâèòåëüñòâî õîòåëî áû ÷òîáû ìû äóìàëè. Îäíàêî ìû - íå Íîðâåãèÿ, îáëàäàþùàÿ íåôòüþ, ýêîëîãè÷åñêè ÷èñòûì àëþìèíèåâûì ïðîèçâîäñòâîì è îôèãåííûìè áàçàìè ÍÀÒÎ. Âíå ÅÑ ó Ýñòîíèè áóäóùåãî ñîâåðøåííî îïðåäåëåííî íåò, è áîëüøèíñòâî ãîëîñîâàëî "çà" èìåííî ïî ýòîé ïðè÷èíå.
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Azamat
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Posted 24-09-03 - 04:13 AM // Updated 24-09-03 - 04:13 AM
Ïðîñòî áåçâûõîäíàÿ ñèòóàöèÿ êàêàÿ-òî.

FlasherT:
À ÷òî òû ñêàæåøü ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó - äîïóñòèì Ýñòîíèÿ çàõîòåëà áû çàêëþ÷èòü íåêèé äîãîâîð ñ Ðîññèåé. Ýòî íå îçíà÷àåò ïîòåðþ íåçàâèñèìîñòè - ýòî êàê ñîþç ñ Êàçàõñòàíîì, Êèðãèçèåé, Óêðàèíîé è Áåëàðóññèåé.
Èëè óæå ýòî ëèøü ïðèçðà÷íûå èäåè è âñå ìîñòû ñîææåíû?

P.S. è îò ñåáÿ õî÷ó äîáàâèòü, ÷òî ñèòóàöèÿ â Ðîññèè õîòÿ è ìåäëåííî, íî âñå òàêè óëó÷øàåòñÿ. È áóäåò òàêîå âðåìÿ, êîãäà (äîïóñòèì) â Ïàðèæå ìû áóäåì ïîêóïàòü ñóâåíèðû çà Åâðî è Ðóáëè. Òî åñòü - ðóáëü ñòàíåò ñâîáîäíî êîíâåðòèðóåìûì. Ìå÷òàòü ïîëåçíî, ÷åãî è âàì æåëàþ.
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Posted 24-09-03 - 08:17 AM
Da, rinok, ruhnuvshij pered vojnoj v Irake, postepenno vosstanavlivajetsja... Ya, naprimer, smenila rabotu v universitete na bolee pribilnuju - v roznichnoj torgovle (eto krupnejshaja v Moskve set knizhnih magazinov)... a ved esche 6 mesjacev nazad mne bi i v golovu ne prishlo, chto roznichnaja torgovlja voobsche sposobna prinosit normalnij dohod v Moskve! Prijdet vremja, i... da, Azamat, ya ot dushi soglashajus s toboj!
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Posted 24-09-03 - 08:22 AM
Ïðî ñîþç ñ Ðîññèåé - ýòîãî íå áóäåò, ïîòîìó ÷òî ýòîãî íå ìîæåò áûòü íèêîãäà. È ÿ áû ñàì â ïåðâûõ ðÿäàõ ïîøåë áèòü ìîðäû ïîëèòèêàì, êîòîðûå ýòî áû ïðåäëîæèëè. Èáî, ñïàñèáî, ïîïðîáîâàëè. Íå ïîíðàâèëîñü.

Ëåíà, îáúÿñíè, êàê âîéíà â Èðàêå ïîâëèÿëà íà _ðîññèéñêèé_ ðûíîê? Íàîáîðîò, ïîâûøåíèå öåí íà íåôòü äîëæíî áûëî óñèëèòü ïðèòîê äåíåã â Ðîññèþ.
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Posted 24-09-03 - 12:38 AM
Elementarno, Flasher! Baks upal, i amerikancam… (St.Springs – eto sovmestnoje predprijatije Russkoj Pravoslavnoj Cerkvi i amerikanskih partnerov… pri etom, kak ti ponimajesh, kontrolnij paket akcij prinadlezhit Amerikancam, predostavivshim ustavnoj kapital)… amerikancam stalo nevigodno prodavat pitjevuju vodu po staroj cene. A po novoj… kto zh ee kupit? Nu, ya i otpravilas prepodavat management studentam college’a pri IGUMO… a pedagogicheskaja zarplata (gazhe esli priplusovat k nej stavku zamestitelja dekana) – eto takije kopejki, chto mne do sih por stidno. :)
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Posted 24-09-03 - 03:25 PM
Ìäà... îêàçûâàåòñÿ Ðóññêàÿ Ïðàâîñëàâíàÿ Öåðêîâü - åùå áîëåå áåçïðèíöèïíàÿ îðãàíèçàöèÿ, ÷åì ìíå êàçàëîñü...
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Posted 24-09-03 - 04:03 PM
Verno podmecheno, Flasher!
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RPC- eto SAMAJA besprincipnaja cerkov v mire... tak chto ya - katolichka, i poproshu eto uchest v sljedujuschij raz, kogda ti snova soberjeshsja oskorbit moi religioznije chuvstva :)


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Posted 24-09-03 - 08:30 PM
Ïî òåìå Åâðîñîþçà:

http://creatiff.ru/read/article/936/

×èòàòü ñèëüíî ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ, îñîáî ïîñëåäíþþ ôðàçó :D
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Ñòàòüÿ ïèñàëàñü îò áàëäû - åñëè ÷åñòíî.
ß òîæå ìîãó ïðèâåñòè ìíîæåñòâî ïðèìåðîâ ìèìèêðèè, íî ýòî íå çíà÷èò, ÷òî ÿ ÷òî ÿ ñïåö â ðûíî÷íûõ òåõíîëîãèÿõ. Çäåñü çàìåøàíà ïñèõîëîãèÿ - íó êîìó èíòåðåñíî ëèöåçðåòü çåëåíûå áóêâû íà êðàñíîì ôîíå? Ïðîñòî ñóùåñòâóåò íåêàÿ ïîäáîðêà öâåòîâ, íà êîòîðóþ îõîòíî êëþåì ìû âñå ñ âàìè. Íàì ýòîò öâåò ïðèÿòåí. Âû âèäåëè êàê îôîðìëÿåòñÿ áþðî ðèòóàëüíûõ óñëóã? Êàêèå öâåòà òàì ïðåîáëàäàþò? È ÷òî òàì ïðåäëàãàþò? Òàê âîò, ìû óæå ìîæåì ñóäèòü ïðèáëèçèòåëüíî îá îáúåìå òîâàðîâ è óñëóã, êîòîðûå íàì ìîãóò âñó÷èòü ì ìàãàçèíå, ñêðûâàþùåìóñÿ ïî æåëòî-ñèíåé ðåêëàìîé.

Ó íàñ â Óôå íà íîìåðàõ ìàðøðóòîâ ìàðøðóòíûõ òàêñè â îäíî âðåìÿ áûëè äèêî ïîïóëÿðíû íåîíîâûå öâåòà (ÿðêî-îðàíæåâûé, ÿðêî-çåëåíûé, è ò.ä.). Ýòè Ãàçåëè è ÏÀÇèêè ìîæíî áûëî çàñå÷ü çà 2 êì äî îñòàíîâêè. Îíè äèêî óòîìëÿëè çðåíèå âîäèòåëåé è ïîýòîìó ïî ïîñòàíîâëåíèþ ìåðèè ýòè öâåòà áûëè çàïðåùåíû äëÿ èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ íà òðàíñïîðòå. Ýòè öâåòà èìåþò ïðàâî èñïîëüçîâàòü òîëüêî Ì×Ñ è êàðåòû ñêîðîé ïîìîùè.

Íó ÷åì âàì íå ñòàòüÿ, íàïèñàë îò äóøè è áåñïëàòíî :)
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Posted 25-09-03 - 07:52 AM
Íó åññíî îò áàëäû :) Êðåàòèôô - ïðèêîëüíûé ñàéò, òàì ìíîãî è äåéñòâèòåëüíî õîðîøåãî àíàëèçà ðåêëàìû, íî ñòàòüè òàêîãî ïëàíà îí ÷åñòíî íàçûâàåò "ïåñíåé ÷óê÷è" :)
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¨øêèí êîò - îøèáñÿ ïðè íàïèñàíèè ñëîâà "ìýðèÿ".
Ó-ó-ó, íå îæèäàë îò ñåáÿ :)

(çàäóì÷èâî) Ïåñíÿ ÷óê÷è. ×òîáû ýòî ìîãëî çíà÷èòü?
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Posted 26-09-03 - 08:45 AM
×òî âèæó - òî è ïîþ :)
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Ëåíà, õî÷ó çàìåòèòü íàñ÷åò ðåëèãèè: çäåñü íå âñå êàòîëèêè è íå âñå òîãî æå ìíåíèÿ î ïðàâîñëàâèè, ÷òî è òû.
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To Arven:
A zamet-ka ti eto Flasher'u ;)
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Íó âû òóò è ðàçâåëè...
Êîðî÷å, ïî-ìîåìó òóò êòî-òî õîòåë ìÿãêî íàìåêíóòü ýñòîíöàì, ÷òî èì ëó÷øå áûëî áû â ñîþçå ñ Ðîññèåé? ×åì ïëîõà Åâðîïà â ïîíèìàíèè ðîññèÿíèíà? èëè ðóññêîãî? Ïî-ïðåæíåìó, îòãîëîñêè "õîëîäíîé âîéíû" è èäåîëîãèè, íàïðàâëåííîé ïðîòèâ "áóðæóéñêîãî Çàïàäà"???

Ïðî ñîþç Ðîññè, Óêðàèíû, Áåëîðóñèè è Êàçàæñòàíà ÿ ïèñòàü âîîáùå íå áóäó - íåò ñëîâ, ó ìåíÿ íàñ÷åò ýòîãî òîëüêî ìûñëè, ïðè÷åì íåöåíçóðíûå... ..., Óêðàèíà ìåäëåííî òåðÿåò íåçàâèñèìîñòü, ÷åãî âàì (ýñòîíöàì) Flasher T èñêðåííå íå æåëàþ...
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Posted 27-09-03 - 06:02 PM
Ok. Çàìå÷àþ âñåì, êòî ìîæåò ïëîõî îòíåñòèñü ê ïðàâîñëàâèþ.
Ìàéêë! :) Äàâíî òåáÿ çäåñü íå âèäåëà!
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